John Green: Author of Paper Towns, An Abundance of Katherines and Looking for Alaska
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Obscenity

Sometimes, I'm still surprised when people are offended by the drinking and language and, most of all, the sexuality in Looking for Alaska. I don't feel annoyed or enraged or any of that--just surprised.

(Most of the people who find Alaska offensive seem like totally nice people who I would like in real life; we just disagree about what books do and do not accomplish.)

But anyway, I was reading such a review today--this one, in fact, calls the novel blasphemous. I don't know what's so blasphemous about it--as I've said before, I think Alaska is basically Christian Fiction. (People laugh whenever I say that, but I'm not kidding!)

Right, but anyway. This reviewer asks, "Are there any uncrossable lines anymore? Are there ten, seven, or even five words, you can’t use in YA fiction?"

My answer to that question: The idea of uncrossable lines presupposes that the manner in which the line is crossed is irrelevant. In fact, all that matters is why and how the line gets crossed. See, for instance, the sex in Coe Booth's brilliant new novel Kendra, which is so incredibly sad that you cry while reading it; sex is a vitally important part of the book, but it's not in any way arousing or titillating. (In fact, rendering sex explicit often has the effect of de-eroticizing it, de-romanticizing it, and finally making it less attractive and interesting--which is, for instance, why high-definition porn has famously sold poorly.)

That said, the whole question reminds me that YA writers ARE capable of real obscenity, as evidenced by this hilariously dirty Twitter, which I happen to know was started by two YA authors. (Really. And no, I'm not saying who. You'd never guess.)

30 Comments:

At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Sara Z. said...

Context is everything. Context, context, context. Again I say: context.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

It's quite a positive review on the whole. But yes, context is everything. Explicit content for the sake of titilation does not a good book make.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YA books are called YA books because they are directed at young adults (12-18). During those ages, you are experiencing and experimenting with sex, bad language, and things that aren’t good for you (such as alcohol, cigarettes, etc)--in short: sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I acknowledge that not everyone is doing all of these, and there are many who are doing none these. I also understand that parents want to prevent their children from viewing--or learning--about these issues. The YA novels that I have read that incorporate profanities, sex, and alcohol/drugs/cigarettes/etc, do so to reflect the world and to progress the story in a meaningful way. Rather than sheltering or shielding a young adult, how about talking to them about it? How about reading the book with them? Rather than parents trying to preserve innocence, how about they try promoting common sense? How about making their child informed? If I were a parent, I’d rather have my child read about underage drinking in a book than do it in real life because they were uninformed.

Shielding a child from a book--what a horrible and unintended way to neglect your child.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

It's true that not all teens deal with profanity, drinking, or sexual exploration while they're growing up. However, it's also true that many do, and books that deal with those subjects in mature ways -- in realistic ways, the ways that teens can/do experience -- are so valuable. Being able to read something that's akin to your life in a little way or a huge way, and to go through a journey with characters that are like people you see and know is a priceless experience. At least it was for me. It helps give you some context and grounding in your own life.

As for sheltering teens... in my opinion it's pretty futile to shelter them from language. Foul language in literature is something that has to be used carefully or else it sounds artificial or strange anyway, so if an author can pull off realistic language (which in itself is something that isn't too heavy or too ridiculously crude) then I applaud them.

In terms of sexuality, this is where context and really, the individual teen comes into play. American Pie is one representation of teenage sexuality. Looking for Alaska is an extremely different approach to the subject ENTIRELY -- and in my opinion it's the sort of approach and treatment that is not harmful to teens.

I say all this like teens are a million miles away from me. I just recently left teenagerdom, and maybe the proximity blinds me to how teens should be treated. All I know is how my friends and I felt and responded to literature at the time.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that review was ridiculous. people can choose to read a book with obsceneties or they can choose not to. and if someone is trying to recount the story of a teenagers life, then they should make it realistic and include the swears and drinks and sex, because that IS a part of many teenager's lives.
btw, i LOVE alaska.
and yeah :)

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Tracie Vaughn Zimmer said...

I was defending this book in a class over the summer and it still boggles my mind that parents go ape over a book which shows context and repercussions in detail but don't blink over explicit tripe on TV.


Tracie Vaughn Zimmer

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If young adults aren't supposed to read profanity, how are they supposed to go to the bathroom during school hours, or any time when they are out in public? If anything, I was slightly upset with the blow job scene because I felt it unrealistic for high school students to be unaware (at least at a basic level) of how it's done.

Peter Pan, the classic children's story, has an ongoing sexual tension between Tink, Peter, and Wendy, resulting in Tink's repeatedly stating "You silly ass" towards Peter. If this is permissible in children's lit, certainly the next level would include the culmination of said tension and an increase in "language" without overstepping the lines.

Mr. Green- as for the "inability to self-regulate leads to tyranny," to me it's a half-baked idea (in that half of it is understandable). Drug and gambling addiction ("inability to self regulate") provide grounds for regulation, especially in American society. Then language, media, parents, and dancing get blamed and fall under further regulation and imprisonment and other "tyrannous" acts. If only people did what was best for them, we wouldn't have to jail them! Or, in Staunton, Virginia, just recently, arrest store owners for selling generic porn (not kiddie etc...) due to its crimes against humanity.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The language, cigarettes, sex, and booze were all part of an extremely believable and vivid world that characters were living in.
It's hilarious that the reviewer wanted to slap these kids for making bad decisions.Making bad decisions are part of growing up, and are also completely inevitable when you're a teenager.
I obviously loved Looking For Alaska, and I think trying to make the blanket statement that this book is too mature for all YA readers is naive.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Sherry said...

Hi. Thanks for coming by and engaging in the conversation. As I said in my review I did enjoy the book very much. I also read An Abundance of Katherines last year, and I reviewed it favorably in spite of having some of the same concerns with that book.

Blasphemous may have been a poor choice of words. What I was trying to say was that as I remember it (I've returned the book to the library) the "bad language" in the book was more cursing than crude language. I may be remembering wrong because using the name of God or Jesus as a curse is more offensive to me and stands out more than garden-variety obscenities.

I agree that the reason for a scene in a novel or the purpose for crude or blasphemous dialog is all-important. I just wondered if there is anything that can be described or any words that can be used in adult fiction, since it seems that about anything can, that can't be described or used in YA fiction. Will the publishers accept anything, or are there subjects/wordswe /descriptions that are still taboo?

I would agree with you that Alaska approaches the Christian worldview in fiction, but I was uncomfortable, as I said with the explicit descriptions of adolescent sexual sexuality. Maybe necessary, but uncomfortable, nevertheless.

What can agree on: you are a very talented writer, and I hope you write many more books. I also hope that adults and young adults read those books with discernment and are prodded to think and evaluate as well as enjoy.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hahah at the twitter post

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Katie No-Pockets said...

Well, for reference, I've included a link showing where I stand on the topic. I agree wholeheartedly with you, John. If it's not too unbelievable, I'm a pretty hardcore Southern Baptist, and I also agree that the book is basically Christian Fiction.
nopockets.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/on-book-banning/

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes I read a book without noticing the swearing or sex. Someone else will say later that they didn't like that about the book & I will be surprised because it didn't stick with me.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, I have to agree with you.
As long as the kid isn't ten or anything, it's cool.
Actually, I read Looking for Alaska when I was 13 and a guy in Barnes & Noble recommended it to me randomly.
So I might have been a little young, but just going to school(and I mean any school) you hear much worse.

Also, I demand more info on the Alaska movie. I have come to decide that I am the only one I will allow to play Alaska, because everyone else will screw her up and make her some sex vixen. Imagine the horrible people they could cast for her, John!
Sad thing is, I don't have my SAG card.
So you have to find a way to get open call auditions. I can already see myself cringing when finding out who the cast is. We do not want this to become another Twilight disaster.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger Khy said...

Have these people read half of the stuff in the young adult section? Some contain more "bad", as others put it, stuff in them. Forever..., anyone? A Bad Boy Can Be Good for a Girl? Boy Toy?

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this post, John. For reasons I'll probably try to expres less clumsily and with more detail later.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Green fans appear to be some of the most well-read and thoughtful people on the face of the planet.
I'm just sayin'

 
At September 02, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I made my mom read Looking For Alaska and she said she was surprised by the "explicit content."
oy.

 
At September 02, 2008 , Blogger lauren myracle said...

Fucking true, John, about context and shit.

JK. (Or, at least, just being silly--except I *do* agree with you.)

I've had grown-up sorts take me to task for using the term "belly button" in a novel.

"ADAM didn't have a belly button!" one critic wrote. "EVE didn't have a belly button!"

????

I, of course, replied, "Dude-sir, if you're looking for *Christian* fiction, please go read LOOKING FOR ALASKA..."

 
At September 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was actually laughing at how ridiculous a review of your book was on the PABBIS website, which is by itself completely ridiculous. They list the "controversial" material, one point being that Miles got a concussion and vomited. How dare you expose children to the dangers of concussions John Green!!!!

 
At September 03, 2008 , Blogger Namlhots said...

Yep, context is everything. Take teen sex for example. When there's teen sex in Alaska, it's all about life and love. When there's teen sex in Looking for Alaska, it's pornography.

MyBigdick ripped me off word for word, I called my twitter Mybignose.

 
At September 03, 2008 , Blogger Mandy S. said...

At first, I was shocked to see that review, but then I read the About Us portion of the Semicolon blog and it made sense.

The reviewer mentions that she has three daughters- 13, 16, and 17. Working with Teens as a librarian, I too have to be careful when I recommend books...there are parts in certain books that DO make teens feel uncomfortable. I've had a teen come up to me, tell me she was reading a book (Vegan Virgin Valentine) that she said herself was "made me feel a little uncomfortable so I picked up a different one".
Basically, teens are smart people. They tend to know what they're ready for-- a lot more often than I ever would've expected before working in libraries.
And for the record, not one thing in your LfA made me think "inappropriate." Though, propriety is something I have to be very cognizant of, since my level of what's OK often isn't the same level as Christian conservative homeschoolers. I try to think more along the lines of age ranges and life experience when picking books for teens....

 
At September 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looking for Alaska is one of my favorite YA books, but as someone who was raised with virtually no exposure to Christianity, I don't really understand the connection to Christian Fiction. My assumption was that Christian books involved the author using a story as an allegory to preach specific doctrines to their target audience. As totally irrational as this sounds I'm contemplating re-reading the book with a friend who was raised around Christians to see if she can show me the hidden subtext.

On an unrelated note: Andrew said that the blow job scene was less believable, but you can understand how something works in theory and not how it works in practice (if there is a more delicate way to say this?)

 
At September 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think a lot of teens have not experienced the sex, swearing, and cigarettes to the extent that you describe in your novel. I speak as one of them. But I think it is still very important to discuss these things in an approachable manner to teenagers, to present them different perspectives to allow them to fully make their decisions.
I've always felt that some of the most important books are ones that describe experiences that we do not share, or do not wish to share, because they provide insight. Many people do not want to experience sex, drinking, or smoking at a young age like you describe; however, it provides insight into the mentality.
Besides, it's not like it's really that big of a shocker in today's day and age...

 
At September 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being in the target audience I would like to point out that I am bombarded every day by TV, Radio and Internet Blogs and Web sights that are far more absence then an adolescent blow job.

I also see how the sexual tension of the relationship between Pudge and Lara was necessary to create the environment later needed for the Man Vs. Himself turmoil that Pudge would face.

I believe that my ability to comprehend the context of the book is more important then the appropriateness of the context itself. To have someone subjectively inform me that certain situations are beyond my years to understand only fuels my drive to be more like what they are protesting against.

I loved Alaska, and I loved Looking for Alaska. Thank you John:)

 
At September 09, 2008 , Blogger M said...

I was about to say something about how I sometimes think there are some subjets that probably shouldn't be addressed in a YA book, even if I don't really know exactly why, but then I remembered "Gute Nacht, Zuckerpüppchen" ("Good night, sugardoll"), by Heidi Hassenmüller, probably one of the most devastating books I read as a child (poignant to the point of being painful), and I still think a young reader needs someone to guide them through all the ugliness in this book, but it is a good book, and there's stories that just need to be told.

 
At September 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, LFA is not Gossip Girl. The characters do not drink and do drugs and have sex and wake up all pretty in the morning ready to shop and get into ivy league schools. The drink and do drugs and have sex and die. (Not exactly, but you see my point). What LFA does is gets a message across without being preachy, by being honest, brutally so. And it's a beautiful book that manages to be funny and tragic at the same time.

 
At September 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm Christian, and Looking for Alaska is my favorite book =D

 
At September 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok so I JUST finished Looking For Alaska literally, about 20 minutes ago. (I have, though, been a fan of B-Hood 2.0 for aaages...not the point...) and I started reading it last night. I could not put it down. I laughed, I cried.... I cried some more. And then I realized that Pudge and his thoughts on religion and the afterlife are EXACTLY What I've been telling my friends for years and they all thought I was crazy (Oh Baptists...) I've always thought that people only believe in Heaven just because if they don't, then what's the point of living? I kind of have the same theories about JFK conspiracy theories. No one wants to believe such a great person could have been killed by two bullets coming from the window of a book depository! so they make stuff up and then they feel better. (I know this and yet, I am still an avid conspiracy supporter.) So, back to my point. In about 20 minutes, your book did what close friends and family members have been trying to do for years... help me believe that there is more after life. It thoroughly pissed me off that anyone would ever call your book blasphemous. Or obscene for that matter! Do they remember what it was like being a kid? of course they don't. And if they do, then the want to 'protect their child from the ~*horrors*~ they experienced growing up. You will here everything you ever wanted... or more than likely didn't even know was possible... at school. Weather parents like it or not. It's just how teenagers are. The sooner they get over that the better...

 
At October 12, 2008 , Blogger Tobias said...

OMG, I love the big dick twitter!

My guess would be David Levithan and someone else.

Why do people get so upset about sex in YA books? I can't imagine a teen reading LFA to get aroused. Mainly because it's not exactly difficult to find real porn online (it's harder to not come across it).

 
At December 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, your book was utterly fantastic. Looking for Alaska contains topics teens have to deal with every day: exclusion, drugs, drinking, sex, and, in some cases, death. The book pulls at your heartstrings because it allows you to form a relationship with the characters. They are well developed and complex. HOWEVER, I do have a slight issue with some of the profanity. I don't really mind the cussing, the sex, and the drug abuse as long as it is not overused. Untortunately, these concepts were overused in your novel (mainly the drugs and cussing). To me, it seemed like the solution to almost all the problems the characters faced was to light one up or drink. Based on the character's personalities, yes, they are going to smoke and drink, but it doesn't have to be the answer to everything. If you would have provided more interesting solutions for their issues, Pudge, the Colonel, Alaska, and Takumi would have been even more developed. This would have resulted in an even more fantastic novel. Keep up with the good work.

 

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