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The Best Book of the Year: Octavian Nothing

When we argue about whether Book X is better than Book Y, it feels like a how-many-angels-can-fit-on-the-head-of-a-pin discussion. In Zen they call it "a question wrongly put." But of course, we must rank books, because book awards do encourage and reward ambition among authors and publishers, and they do bring good books to readers, and etc. Also I suspect the Venn Diagram of People Who Like Lists and People Who Like Books would look a lot like a circle.

Such discussions are always games of incomplete information, because none of us has read every book published for teenagers (or for children, or for adults, or whatever), which is why I generally try to steer clear of such debates, at least in public.

But, I mean, come on. Octavian Nothing 2 is the best book of the year. I loved a lot of books this year--I loved (LOVED) The Disreputable History; I loved The Adoration of Jenna Fox; I loved The Hunger Games; I loved The Graveyard Book and Little Brother and many others. I liked Paper Towns okay, too. And I'm sure there are lots of books I haven't read that are brilliant. But come on.

Octavian Nothing, taken as a whole, is the greatest literary achievement in the history of teen literature. I mean, who can argue otherwise? And what is their argument? (Yes, that is a call for arguments.)

Generally their argument is: "Octavian isn't really a book for teens. Teens aren't smart enough to get it. The teens I know don't like it." To which I would respond, OMFG SHUT THE HELL UP, only I wouldn't say hell. Teens ARE able to read critically and thoughtfully; they DO answer the challenge when faced with difficult but engaging work. I read Faulkner as a teen, and as any of my high school teachers will tell you, I was barely literate.

I mean, here is a sample question asked by a real live f'ing teenager at a recent nerdfighter gathering: "Can you talk about why Quentin’s vessel survives the land whale when Ahab’s vessel doesn’t survive the sea whale?" That's the kind of question you pray will get asked, and there have been dozens of others like it on tour, and all of them have been asked by teenagers.

That's why I try to write ambitious work (I may fail, but I try): not to win awards or to convince adults that my work has value, but because teenagers can always read better than I can write. They can even read better than M. T. Anderson can write, and that's saying something.

38 Comments:

At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that you write intelligently, but even more importantly that you believe your readers are competent as well. So many adults write off teens as typical high school cliques, but there are so many fascinating and just plain smart kids out there. Thanks for acknowledging them and thanks for sharing your talents. I have so much respect for you.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger Anna Swenson said...

Thank you, John. As I teen I would argue that the very fact that Octavian Nothing is so difficult makes is directly more rewarding that a less "smart" book. And in a world of far too many Twilight-calibre literature for teens, Anderson's kind of dark, deep books deserve to be richly rewarded.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took out Octavian Nothing from the local library last week, at the urging of a couple of nerdfighters. I've started reading the first volume, and so far I'm really loving it (I'm 18). I definitely believe that teens can read just as thoughtfully as adults. They must, otherwise why would so many of them be obsessed with existentialists? lol

 
At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for saying all of this John. I really appriciate it.

My library just got Octavian Nothing and I took the first volume out yesterday. I'm excited for it.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

I don't know, John. If you go around shouting, "OMFG SHUT THE UP" people might regard you strangely. It may be better to just blaspheme.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, I think this is my favorite post of yours, or of anyones. Most people don't understand that teenagers are not completely unable to think critically about literature. You have no idea how much I appreciate you saying otherwise. I just wish more individuals would get it in their heads that not just adults are capable of coherent thought.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It takes you like, two years to write a book. That's pretty ambitious. And amazing. So you win.

I think you've mentioned Octavian Nothing before and I've been waiting for the library to send it to me! Most excited =)

Oh look, another captcha..."impag"

 
At December 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Lizzy...I have so many friends either buying copies of your books, or borrowing mine because because of the fact that you write intelligently...I have friends who were loving all the math you put into KATHERINES.

I appreciate that you don't write us all off as a bunch of Edward Cullen worshiping brain dead generation.

Your books have witty and intelligent humor and I love that about them.

So, THANK YOU for that. And thank you for telling anyone who disagrees to "OMFG SHUT THE HELL UP!"

(And I actually have Octavian Nothing right here on my book shelf ready to go! :D)

Once again, Thank you...and have a happy holiday,
~CrazyCorgiLady (aka Meghan, the decathlete in the last entry)

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger Kate said...

<3

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger piepie said...

Would you suggest I read the first volume of Octavian Nothing to understand the second volume?

(BTW, awesome job pwning YouTube these past couple days. It was super fun hanging out with you in BlogTV all day!)

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

Thankyou for actually writing intelligently ( um, that isn't an insult for your usual writing...) but i mean, thankyou for not underestemating teenage understanding. I cannot tell you how much it irritates me when people think teenagers are incompotent because of their age.... but anyway, I love Octavian nothing.. thanks for mentioning it!!
Liv

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger Crystal said...

I just started reading the first Octavian Nothing book a little bit ago. So far, it's very excellent.

 
At December 19, 2008 , Blogger David Macinnis Gill said...

You can't say that Octavian 2 is the best YA ever because you haven't ready every YA ever written.
;-)

 
At December 20, 2008 , Blogger Chris Hall said...

Part of the problem is that we have trouble imagining others complexly, but also our past selves. Stereotypes are convenient ways to judge people we may never meet, or only meet briefly. Our memories are imperfect.

What would my 18 year old self say if it saw me now? (I'm technically 21 as of about an hour ago.) I don't think we could ever satisfactorily answer that question because our perspectives change over time. The lens we use to view the world and ourselves is constantly changing as we experience life.

Adults have trouble imagining that teens can think intelligently, forgetting that when they were teens they could think intelligently or knew of a peer who could.

Perhaps it is the human condition to be stuck in the me of now.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for acknowedging that teens have the interest and ability to read challenging books (I'm in tenth grade, and my honors english teacher said he thought Frederick Douglass' Narrative of a Slave was too much for some of my peers to handle). I hadn't heard of Octavian Nothing before reading this blog, but its on my Christmas list. :)

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love you. Have I mentioned that? In my experience, many adults severely underestimate teenagers (luckily my parents didn't, evident by the fact that I read all of Tolkein's novels in fourth grade). I pray that I NEVER grow up to be like that, forgetting that many teens actually are smart.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Blogger Azeezat said...

I read both Octavian Nothing books, and they are, without a doubt, the most amazing series I've read so far. I'm 13, and I absolutely hate when people assume that teens can't possibly possess the ability to comprehend challenging books. Thanks for sticking up for us John.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at a high school library with hungry, hungry readers who demand more, more, more than I can afford to provide them, so I purchase several thousand dollars of books out of my pocket because they're hungry for them and must be fed. But I suppose I'll have to dig deeper and get the books you mentioned which I haven't yet purchased. By the way, one student chose Walt Whitman and Leaves of Grass for his American Authors project, influenced, of course, by Paper Towns. And since I have an aversion to L of G based on its length (darn you, Walt Whitman! for writing long poetry), I'm forcing myself to re-read it via Project Gutenberg because I can paste it in a word processor and gleefully delete it as I go. Thus your pernicious influence reaches wide.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You do right intelligently and on diverse subjects. People are really so judgemental and disbelieving that anyone who isn't equal to them isn't capable of anything.
I loved all of your books, my friends and I refer to them as Alaska, Katherines, and blue and yellow Margo.(I am nerdy enough to have bought both copies of Paper Towns).
I can, however, see the other side of the arguement. THere are a lot of pathetic teenagers who could never ask smart questions, or read intelligently. None of them are in any part Nerdfighters.
But people do have to realize that there are a lot of Nerdfighter-like people out there who can and are very different from the stereotypical teenager.
Yay for them.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is off topic (loved the post, though), but John, I just really wanted to thank you for writing An Abundance of Katherines. It's completely one of my favourites, and it's helped me a lot.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Blogger Bookfool said...

I'm doing my best to get my teenager to read your books because, heavens yes, he's a critical thinker. He routinely chews me out because I haven't gotten around to reading some of his favorite classics (White Fang, Treasure Island).

 
At December 20, 2008 , Blogger Zoe said...

Thank you for standing up for teenagers. I also thanks you for writing intelligently and believe teenagers can read intelligently. You are on of the very few people in the world that does that and its very upsetting.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

aww...to Anna Swenson and crazycorgilady, I really really enjoyed your comments, but I must admit that I have given into the twilight craze. actually im a bit embarassed to admit that I enjoyed them despite the overwhelming cheesiness. i love john green's novels so much, but I in no way want to bash another author. just thought i'd own up :)

 
At December 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh gosh John, I just think you are so brilliant. Thank you so, so, so much for truly believing in teenagers instead of telling us we can't, that it's too hard. Thank you for knowing that young people can be right, intelligent, and actually want to challenge ourselves and learn and read. You cannot know how much I appreciate your writing and your existence.

 
At December 20, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

okay, john, you've convinced me; i'll try to read octavian nothing again. i tried to read it a couple of years ago, but i was busy and it seemed sort of boring, but i wasn't really looking at it from a symbolic or literary perspective, i mostly just viewed as a story, and when you are 11 years old, it's just not terribly interesting. i'm nearly 15 now, so i'll give it another shot. thanks for the inspiration and for truly believe in teenager's abilities to read and to understand. thanks for thinking of us as people, not just as problems. so thank you john, for everything.

i hope you have a wonderful christmas :)

 
At December 21, 2008 , Blogger Michael said...

Not the first time we've heard you talk about this book. However, my question to you is this: do I have to read the first book in order to understand this one?

 
At December 21, 2008 , Blogger gagliajn said...

I read ON during the spring & ON2 as mental prep for Obama's victory. I loved Octavian Nothing and plan to give as a christmas present to adults as well as Sarah Vowell's Wordy shipmates. I have begged my high school students to read ON 1 & 2, and they roll their eyes--they have too much reading to do already.

 
At December 21, 2008 , Blogger Cindy Dobrez said...

"Uttering joyous leaves all its life without a friend a lover near,
I know very well I could not."

Thank you, friend, for uttering joyous words supporting the reading habits of smart teens! "OMFG" counts as joyous in cases like this.

To the posters who ask about reading Octavian II before I, I say, read it in any order, but read it.

 
At December 21, 2008 , Blogger Samantha Taylor said...

Thank you so much, John. You are completely made of awesome. I am in tears right now. You've hit on a point that I have been building on for a long time now...that people grow up and forget what it's like to be a teenager, and forget that we are every bit as capable, if not more, than adults at comprehending and understanding things.
That said...LITERATURE FTW

 
At December 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I'm almost out of my teens (19), I thought Octavian Nothing was incredible. I do think that, individually, the first volume brought forth more....I can't really describe the feeling, but the one you get when you're in awe of the genius of the plain truths that you're reading, and if you're me, most likely crying, and just completely moved, heartbroken, at times angry, and inspired by the story and the circumstances the characters face... that feeling.* I loved the second volume as well, however, and definitely had that same feeling at the end of it.

Teens are capable of so much more than many give them credit for. I mean sure, they can enjoy fluff that may be lacking in literary achievements at times, but this isn't all they can comprehend or appreciate.

I think you under-estimate how amazing and inspiring you are. But I guess that's part of what makes you so amazing and inspiring, lol. DFTBA.

*I'm pretty sure this sentence is completely grammatically incorrect. Oh well. :-D

 
At December 23, 2008 , Blogger Mónica L. said...

Hi! Probably this comment has nothing to do with your post BUT I've just finished my marathon of 3 days watching Brotherhood 2.0 and I looooved it (more your videos than Hank's) :)
Thank you for making such awesome videos and AWESOME books (too bad that I haven't read Paper Towns, it does not exist in Mexico) and yeah, for writing intelligenty for the youth.
Happy Holidays!

 
At December 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy crap, this is why you are so awesome. A story I sometimes tell is about Gary Schmidt, the amazingly talented middle grade author of The Wednesday Wars and Lizzie Bright and the Buckminster Boy, among others. I know his books are considered "hard sells" and that the attitude is sometimes well, *librarians* like those books, but kids would never read them! Yet he is an amazing, emotional, complicated, talented writer, who is also funny and smart. What in the hell, who wouldn't like that? And guess what? I've had dozens of kids read The Wednesday Wars and love it, telling me the "funny parts" with great glee. When I got my book signed by Mr. Schmidt at ALA this summer I told him his books are why I am GLAD I am a librarian: because they are worth the extra effort of connecting the right reader with the right book, of that extra time spent pitching a book that is rare and special and good to someone who will relate to it, who can understand and connect to it, who wants to.

Octavian Nothing is the perfect YA example of this. Is it for EVERYONE? No, of course not. But it is for a certain reader who will invest the time in it and, I really believe, be CHANGED by it, have their world opened up and shifted a little because of it. Isn't that more important, worth more, than needing 26 copies at your library? Isn't that worth a little extra time booktalking, explaining, promoting, and connecting it to patrons?

I thank God for the books, like Twilight that I don't have to promote. But I am even more grateful for the really special ones that are worth me doing so. This is one. In 25 years, we'll look back and laugh until we cry about Twilight. In 25 years, we'll not only still be reading Octavian Nothing but we'll be still be learning from it and pointing to it when the doubters say, YA literature, pshaw!

John Green: WHY ARE YOU SO AWESOME?

 
At December 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love reading your books over and over again for several reasons, but the main one is because you write t oyour smartest audience. You don't just asume because were teens you have to dumb things down so we can understand. So thanks again for that, and congrats on writing three amazing books!

 
At December 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for also giving props to The Disreputable History... and Hunger Games. Those are probably my two favorite YA books from this year and everyone should read them!!!

 
At December 24, 2008 , Blogger Debra Rook said...

I completely agree teens can, and do, read critically. I was one, in middle and high school, and now I teach literature in middle and high school so I see it every day. I've been frustrated for a long time by an established system of literature text books containing watered-down snippets of great works written for youth and adults alike. So, more power to nerdfighters and you John for trumpeting a critical generation's demand for challenging, enjoyable, complete reading. That being said--something I've learned since being a nerdy teen (glasses et al.) is that railing against categorization as a "flighty teenager" only shut me inside my own prejudices. I read "heavy" works loaded with seriousness and deep thought...and totally missed out on the lighter, though not necessarily less important, works like The Hitchhiker's Guide. I made fun of my parents for reading "escapist" books, not realizing then escapism is often cheaper than a visit to the psychiatrist. I bring this up because I noticed the postings to this entry referencing Twilight in ways that put the book, characters, and fans (and by extension the author) beneath "smart" literary works and people. I went through my teens and twenties fighting to be taken seriously, often by making distinctions between myself and less serious (by that I meant less smart) people. In that struggle I only succeeded in locking myself into a box, a depressing, lonely box I had to then struggle to get out of. If people like Twilight, let them. I don't begrudge someone's perception of me based on what other people do, only what I do to earn my reputation. So, now to the point of the comment, Octavian Nothing may be the best YA book of 2008, but I would choose The Underneath by Kathi Appelt. It is technically a Middle Grade novel, so maybe both can win in separate categories. Thanks for blogging, vlogging, and writing. Love your work.

 
At January 19, 2009 , Blogger lime_rising said...

Thanks for not stereotyping me.
Really.
Thanks.
I love the characters in your books, simply because they are so real. They aren't some adult's idea of a young person, taken from TV and their faint memories of adolescence- they are the product of a mind that speaks to, loves, and understands young people. Thank you so much for realizing that teenagers are not all the same.

 
At May 04, 2009 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have never read Octavian Nothing(although you are swiftly persuading me--I have looked at it quite a few times but each time I chose not to take it out of the library), but I think I might have to disagree with your lauding it as "...the greatest literary achievement in the history of teen literature."

I don't know if you have ever heard of an author by the name of Aiden Chambers, but I strongly suggest that you try him. He wrote one of the most amazing books called, This Is All. (And other amazing books as well but I think that this is his tour de force). It is about a teenaged girl named Cordelia and...well, I can't even explain it. All I can say is that it's extremely brilliant, and you can't read it all at once because it requires you to think about it. All of it. It's a very demanding book because it discusses love, life, philosophy, poetic rhetoric, religion, and still manages to tell a (I hesitate to keep using this word over and over again but--) BRILLIANT story. It's very uniquely structured (in pillow books--Cordelia explains what they are: not only a diary but includes everyday thoughts, anecdotes, poems, etc) and it goes in alphabetical order. In one pillow book, the story alternates every other page while her musings about life and what have you are on the other pages. Sigh. I guess I did try to explain the book, haha. But the only way you'll fully understand (and maybe not even then--it's the type of book that you need to keep re-reading because it's so full of EVERYTHING) this novel. I really hope you read it and if you do, that you comment about it. Because I really do think you are being hasty in saying that Octavian Nothing is the pinnacle of young adult literature when you have not read this book.

Thank you,

a random teenager

p.s. I think I will check out Octavian Nothing. You know. Just to see.

 
At May 06, 2009 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I LOVE the Hunger Games!! I've just finished it for the second time, and Oh My God. Brilliant much??
seriously, its genius, I beleive their should be more books written just like it! It has the same undertone as 'The boy in striped pyjamas", but in a compleatly different context.


from 'just a girl'

 

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