Addenda
A few things re. my post about Octavian Nothing that came out in emails and comments:
1. I think some people felt that I was saying Laurie Halse Anderson's book Catalyst, which I like very much, was all head and no heart. I was, in fact, only saying that people sometimes say that about the book. I think Catalyst is a good example of an extremely smart book that is also emotionally engaging.
(In fact, Catalyst gets into the whole issue of whether one must be able to directly identify with characters in order to enjoy a book. You hear this all the time, that teens in particular need to 'see themselves' in fiction in order for it to be good. I think this idea is total bullshit, and someday soon, I am going to go off on a completely ill-advised rant about it.*)
2. Phyllis (not my cousin-in-law Phyllis I don't think, although you never know) writes in comments: "John, you said Atlas Shrugged is a failure of a book. I just started reading it two days ago. ... I read The Fountainhead, and loved it. Have you read it? What did you think about it?"
Phyllis, I know that our friendship will be able to withstand this disagreement, but yes, I also think that The Fountainhead is a failure as a book. (I might be wrong, of course.) But I think both of those Rand books are very evocative about their ideas, and that the ideas are very appealing in some ways. But to me the stories and the people are paper-thin, mere vessels for ideas. Stories should be more than that, in my opinion.
3. I said in my post yesterday that my opinion of teenagers has changed a lot in the last two years, and was asked to expand upon that observation. I guess from the videoblog experience, I realized that teenagers were more or less infinitely intellectually capable as an audience, provided the work welcomes them into complexity properly. Which Octavian certainly does.
*Which is just one of several ill-advised rants I am always in danger of going on:
1. The idea that all readings of a book (and opinions on a book) are equally legitimate.
2. The universality of seeing the other, particularly the romantic other, as mysterious.
3. The whole question of whether an author is writing about herself, which is the least interesting question in the whole entire world, and yet the question that is most often asked (and the accusation that is most often leveled against books) in America, but strangely nowhere else.
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How is it possible not to 'see yourself' in a piece of fiction? Take "Remains of the Day" by Kazuo Ishiguro as an example, the narrator is an old Butler in 1940s England, but because he is human, and ever decision he makes is influenced by human nature, I can still identify with him.
Catalyst was one of the books that persuaded me to read YA books that weren't fantasy. Before I was convinced all books with female teenage protagonists were (to recycle your expression) 'all heart and no head'.
About your rants:
1. Would love to hear this rant. One of my favourite Woody Allen scenes revolves around this one.
2. Wow, sounds like a big bag to unpack. You should do that one soon.
3. Do you think this is because characters are so well written and become meaningful to us readers that we desperately hope they'll be real somewhere/when? And we secretly hope we can become best friends with them or date them or something?
PLEASE go off on ill-advised rant number one. It reminds me of what Harlan Ellison says: "People are always saying, 'I'm entitled to my opinion.' Well, you're not. You're entitled to your INFORMED opinion."
Regarding potential ill-advised rant #3:
The question isn't interesting in and of itself, but I think the cultural phenomenon of asking that question is.
It's a symptom of many different motivations. It can be another way of asking the writer, "Where do you get your ideas?" Sometimes it's the result of something to which I'm sympathetic: the desire to recover what's lost, as in the case of Shakespeare, about whom we know so little that it is all too tempting to scavenge his work for clues. And it WOULD enrich our understanding of As You Like It if we knew that Shakespeare did indeed act the role of Adam. Of course, pursuing such lines of thought is chasing a mirage. There is no definable answer. But as someone who did try to walk to a rainbow as a child, I'd say there is something enjoyable in the journey, even if you don't reach the destination.
One more thing: because Polonius is always talking in aphorisms (he sounds like a walking Renaissance commonplace book-- "Neither a borrower nor a lender be," etc.), the play continually calls into question the merits of his advice. Is he an old fool spouting cliches? Is he a canny political strategist who uses cliches as a screen? Our doubt about Polonius's character is related to a necessary doubt about what he says. The play's audience is called upon to weigh the value of his stock phrases.
Your blog post does, I think, exactly that. There might not be anything necessarily wrong with a love that gives off more light than heat. Sometimes what we see by that light is enough to warm the soul. And as it is with love, so it is with books.
Hi,
I really enjoyed your novels "Looking for Alaska" and "An abundfance of Katherines" and I am writing an article about books for reluctant boy readers and think your book fits well. The article so far as interviews with authors and there books including Chris Crutcher's "Whale Talk", Jay Asher's "13 Reasons Why", Robert Lipsyte's "Raiders Night", Dennis Foon's "Skud" and Markus Zusak's "I am the Messenger".
Anyways, if you could answer the following questions I would greatly appreciate it for looking for Alaska:
1-What motivated you to write a novel about such a touchy subject such as teen suicide?
2-Alaska is a very complex character. What led you to creating such a unique character?
3-In the end, the novel is really a coming of age story, what messages do you hope the reader learns?
4-Ok, really lastly now, any other novels that you know of that are great read for high school boys.
Thanks in advance for considering my request.
P.S.-I see you have a new novel coming out. Any chance of getting an advance copy to hopefully use in my article.
dwayne.jeffery@lpsd.ca
Your post has definitely put Octavian Nothing on my summer reading short list.
about point 3;
Looking for Alaska was released in 2005, which is more than 2 years ago. And I take it you started writing it at least a year earlier. So that means that you didn't think too highly about teenagers and yet you wrote a book targeted at them. Can you explain this paradox? (this qualifies as a paradox right?)
About possible rant no. 0;
I agree with you that you don't have to see yourself in the characters in order to enjoy the book. But I do think that if you were given the choice between a book with a main character you identify yourself with and one you don't identify yourself with, you will almost always chose the one with the identifiable character. I think you have to be able to identify with one of the character at least on some level, otherwise the book will be a bundle of annoyance
About possible rant no. 2;
What do you mean by this?
About possible rant no. 3;
I don't know to what an extent Americans are obsessed with that question, but I can tell you it's not the only country where it happens. In my Dutch Literature class we had to give a presentation about a Dutch writer, and an important part was how you could see the life of the author in the books.
- Tobias
1. I still have read a grand total of zero Laurie Halse Anderson books even though we share a surname. Sigh.
2. I agree with you about the Ayn Rand point - it is the ideas and the social commentary that is fascinating; the characters drastically less so, thus Rand seems to write extremely long essays on the world &c. using one massive analogy which is the story. Analogies don't require the same type of development as stories which perhaps is where they fall a bit flat.
3. dat is lyk so tewtaly sik 2 hear!
Hi John,
No, that was not your cousin-in-law Phyllis asking that question. As far as I know Phyllis has read "Atlas Shrugged" but never "the Fountainhead".
"Atlas Shrugged" is one of those books that I enjoyed reading, because it starts off with a great hook: "who is John Galt?" and has a lot of momentum. However, as soon as I put the book down, it became immediately obvious that there was not a single character in the book that was not a straw man. It all seems so appealing in the context of the book, but then you realize that the world does not even remotely resemble the image created by Ayn Rand. Ultimately, this made it disappointing.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
You said this, that you could go on a rant about the idea that all reading of a book are equally legitimate. What would this rant say? We had a discussion about whether or not the reading of a poem could be wrong in English the other day, would you agree with that?
The first Octavian book was the first one I'd read in an awfully long time that scared me as it peeled off the veils of Public School Revolutionary History. It haunted me for months with questions: How could people have ever been like that? And why are people STILL like that?
I'm looking forward to the second book!
Re: the Atlas Shrugged discussion. Someone once said to me that idealists love Ayn and realists hate her. What do you think about that?
What you argued before is the lack of character and story, if I follow. Are you sure it isn't the fact that the characters are not as realistic as people you'd meet everyday?
Just like I don't judge people in real life, I tend to not judge "characters" in books. You can look at someone in real life and only see one side of them, or only the side they choose to bring out. Who says it isn't the same with a character... which is supposed to be a living, breathing, decision-making entity? I take all simple characters at face value. Readers can imagine them into complexity, if that's their type of enjoyment. Some authors are better at painting their character from all angles, and some just don't have great characters. I think Ayn's characters could have been painted from many more angles, making them more realistic, but it didn't serve her purpose. So I can see where your argument comes from.
Maybe Ayn purposefully crafted her characters to be polarized towards one specific characteristic so a great many people can understand the idea. Which she succeeded in, obviously.
Agreed - it's more of a framework than a story. For me there's a lot of room for imagination in that.
Two different styles, two different purposes. "Failure" is pretty harsh.
:-)
DFTBA
Cait
I really liked some of the things that you said. Very much.
I'd also like to act that the stance you used to have on teenagers is also the current stance on literature targeted at them, held as an excuse to make up for poor literature.
The only thing I didn't like about this post is that it made me anxious, yet again, about how impossible it is to read everything.
Will you please go on all ill-advised rants soon?
I think there is a great possibility that they will be both entertaining and enlightening.
And I'm sure they will also make me laugh.
On a different note, I have a question (maybe it's Question Tuesday worthy): I'm going to London this summer to study abroad, and I want to know if there are any books you think that travelers should read before, during, and/or after they travel. Not special guidebooks, but fiction books or memoirs.
I'm in the middle of 13 Little Blue Envelopes, and it makes me especially excited for my trip. So, I thought maybe you would have some awesome suggestions. :)
Hello John,
*squeals excitedly as realises that there is a chance that you will read this as opposed to the comment being 1 among thousands*
I don't think it is fair of you to say a certain book isn't good as it is just your opinion. Maybe it was aimed at a certain audience, similar to movies, how everybody is entitled to their own opinions and judgements on whether they like it or not.
And regarding the third rant topic...Although I am not a prize winning author ^_^ I do think that writers probably do draw from their own experiences when writing. They may not necessarily be based entirely on themselves, but certain characteristics do lend to the person of the characters in the book. For instance, Pudge in Alaska talked about Sport and not making the team and I think you discussed that in one of your blogs. And J.K.Rowling also said that she thinks she is like Hermione.
Surely, your opinions and values and whole being does affect your writing...
DFTBA and Wily is ADORABLE!!
P.S. Please come to Sydney someday!
* do influence your writing (?)
dude, atlas shrugged SUCKED. i found myself skipping page after page of boring political propaganda so i could get to the "racy" parts and just find out which guy she (i can't remember the main character's name) was going to pick. i think the realist/idealist argument is off. it's a capitalist manifesto, and either you agree with the notion that you should only look out for yourself, or you are human.
I agree with the idea/belief that The Fountainhead was just a vessel for ideas. I loved the book only only because of the ideas it put forth, but I didn't finish the book because the story was boring me. I loved the characters and what they represented but not the story they played out.
I think both Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are not failures as books. they are a success in that they accomplish exactly what the author set out to accomplish. I will agree (and here I go with the semantics) that they are a failure as fiction or as novels. Perhaps they should be in philosophy as anecdotal essays.
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